-A record of the 30-member dialogue at China Education Forum.

Moderator:

The dialogue and discussion just now were very exciting, and the issues discussed were very in-depth and comprehensive. Especially in the communication link, many people are very enthusiastic and many comrades raise their hands, so the time relationship is not fully communicated.

In the morning, we discussed the concept, organization and technology of education. Next, we entered the education management system. At present, our management system is generally managed according to the traditional planned economy. Public education and public education are still dominant and have not completely changed.

. Private education is also developing. How to treat the development of private education and how to stimulate the vitality of education? Let's invite relevant experts and guests to discuss this topic. Next, please invite the dialogue moderator, 30 members of China Education Forum, and the deputy hall of Shanxi Education Department.

Zhang Zhuoyu, Vice President of China Education Association.

Zhang Zhuoyu:

The theme of this topic is how to stimulate the vitality of education. This topic is very complicated, involving the education system and education management.

I think the organizing Committee of the conference designed such a topic because our educational vitality today is not enough. Personally, I agree with such a judgment. In the past 30 years or so, the most dynamic field in China society is the economic field, and the most dynamic field has developed rapidly.

The fastest and best result. Compared with the economic field, educational leaders should say that the past 30 years have also been dynamic. For example, the emergence of our 30-member China Education Forum reflects the vitality of education. For example, in the morning and afternoon, they experienced the whole process of the Jinting Forum. Today, this

This forum goes up and down, and I think it is full of vitality. However, compared with the economic field, the vitality of the education field is far from enough. Where is the evidence and how to activate vitality? Let's listen to the opinions of three guests.

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Let me briefly talk about three viewpoints and ideas. The first idea is about private education today. A little extension, I think we don't understand education at all, and we don't understand what we are educating at all. Does America understand? No, there has always been a pendulum in American education.

Phenomenon, running around for a while, so I didn't understand it. When you forget what the teacher taught you, the rest is education. Mr. naisbitt said in the morning that education should not be full of baskets, but should light a lamp for students. How to light this lamp is different.

Law, now our education doesn't light a lamp, but we just hurry to clean up the basket. Just now, Mr. Tang Min talked about large-scale open online courses. I have a different idea. Now should not be the time. Many teachers, including those in colleges and universities, said that massive open online courses are only suitable for students from 985 University and Tsinghua Peking University, but they don't want to.

You don't have to open it, the students of Tsinghua Peking University don't have to open it, the light of the soul has not been opened, and the thirst for knowledge has not yet. If this kind of thinking is extreme to our education, our understanding is still in the virgin land, or we don't know, we need a lot of exploration, and this exploration is now.

The trouble is that we don't know what teaching is, but many people think we already know it, so we manage it according to what we know, including many problems discussed. He thinks he knows. According to this management, we think this one won't work and that one won't.

This is education and that is education. Just now, Zhou said that the answer to the test paper was not good. An author in Fujian got a score on the problem, but he was not qualified at all. Our questioner thought he knew and understood, and then educated and managed. I said this is education.

The source of vitality, too many assessments now have a standard. Whether this standard is a standard needs to be questioned. Why is our education not energetic? I would say that our education still needs to be explored, especially in a pluralistic society.

Cable TV. We are in the era of reform and opening up. What does reform and opening up mean? What is innovation? Innovation means taking fewer detours, turning a corner and inheriting. It has been walking in accordance with the original mode of thinking, faster and faster, farther and farther. Innovation is definitely a corner. Now let's talk about the turning point and put the original

The denial that there is no growth point in the future is a leap-forward development. Generally speaking, it is overtaking. I think the current school education needs the awareness of overtaking in corners. We have refined many schools to do this according to the original practice. Many of our schools are exquisitely managed.

Including the refined egoism that has just come out, we need to take a new road now, especially when we don't know what education is, especially when many of us think that education should be done this way, but we want to take another road. At this time, we have encountered institutional obstacles.

. Especially in our public schools, do you want to bend? It is not easy. There are various systems that restrict our school. I call on schools to follow their own path in reform and innovation. We need to decentralize and untie schools. Only in this way can we stimulate our educational vitality.

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The third is private schools. From our country's point of view, what is really meaningful is the history of more than 20 years in the early 1990s. Now, it is very worthwhile for us to ponder and inspire private schools. As far as I can see, the schools I know basically have no school buildings, no teachers and no initial experience.

Fei, many schools play karate. More than 20 years have passed, many schools have disappeared, and many schools have grown and grown rapidly. Why? I'm thinking that private schools just dare to turn corners, so they overtake because they dare to turn corners. We talk about characteristic education, and these years have been special.

However, after the promulgation of the national outline in 2020, all schools in China are talking about characteristic development, but who started characteristic development at the earliest? I think it should be private education. I don't know if you have memories. In the early 1990s, the names of private schools were mostly foreign languages and reality.

Test, because in the early days of reform and opening up, foreign languages must have their own characteristics, and experiments are also unique. From the beginning, private schools have to live in the cracks, go their own way, and cannot do what public schools do. Small class, now that people are rich, the demand has increased, but there are many.

Private schools start with small classes, including the current flat management. Private schools have no choice but to raise six or seven principals, that is, one or two principals, and even some schools have only one principal. Without other principals and few departments, the vitality of education has been excavated.

Well, I think private schools have been left to their own devices for a long time without teachers or even policy advantages. In recent years, they have made progress, relying entirely on cornering overtaking and encouraging them to teach through reform and innovation.

Cultivate vitality, let us see another growth path of education.

Lu Zhiwen:

I went to the hearing today and I was arrested. My brand is handwritten and I want to collect it. Handwritten is more precious than printed now.

Zhang Zhuoyu:

President Li Xi was a guest at the event, but he didn't come because of something at school. Thanks to President Lu for attending the event.

Lu Zhiwen:

As soon as you control it, you will die, as soon as you release it, it will be chaotic. Life and death lie between control and release. Everyone wants to live, but the leaders are afraid of chaos. There is no suitable way to find this contradiction. We are interested in discussing this problem today. I want to find a balance between chaos and management, living without chaos and managing without chaos.

Go to hell. This is what we have been thinking for a long time, not to mention the macro policy of the country. Even small companies have to face this problem. We all want to live, and we don't want chaos, but without a certain degree of chaos, there can be no life. How to grasp this degree? In fact, people

We already have a strategy, but we haven't clearly put it forward. We walk along this road. For example, the bottom line plus creation is a strategy to solve the contradiction between management and chaos. The bottom line plus creation is a stable and efficient strategy for ensuring the bottom line and a development strategy for creating leaps and bounds.

A combination, if viewed from a macro perspective, I think there should be a division of labor to keep and create China's educational foundation, and the government should ensure that prosperity depends on the market. Public security protects the bottom line, promotes balance, lays the foundation with less fairness, and reduces the demand for choosing schools. Private enterprises promote prosperity, seek differences, promote individuality and seek

Create and meet the needs of school selection. Keeping the bottom line and creating infinity has been recognized by more and more people. In Jinting, we still feel extravagant when discussing the topic of vitality, and the lack of vitality in the field of education is the main contradiction. What are the factors that restrict the liberation of educational productive forces?

I think it should be three levels. The first is ideas. If education is lively, it should be ideological and conceptual, so there is a problem of ideological emancipation. The economic field has long proved that how to build a harmonious society today is harmony.

Satisfaction leads to harmony, how to be satisfied with a choice leads to satisfaction, how to choose and how to supply enough, and the result of prosperity and development is sufficient supply. The premise of prosperity and development is openness, which field is more open and which field is more open, and ideological emancipation leads to openness.

Open situation, open situation brings prosperity and development, prosperous development brings sufficient supply, sufficient supply brings increased choice, and increased choice brings improved satisfaction. It is such a simple truth. Why is today's education still full of police? I think it's 30 years old.

Many years ago, in the era of planned economy, we experienced that the silver bar era was an era of insufficient supply. Today, people will not be satisfied if they want to spend money and be grandchildren. Vitality comes from the liberation of thought, and education comes from the liberation of thought first. I talked about this topic this morning, colleges and universities.

It is great to accept government control when using government funds. Where did the money come from? What the people give, the government must accept the management of the people, the government must accept the management of the government when it gives you money, and whether the people can accept the management of the people when they give you money. This is reasonable.

The second is the mechanism. System is structure, and structure is very important. The market economy has brought about the rapid development of China's economy, and some mechanisms have to be introduced. I think there should always be one, and this mechanism is the market mechanism. Promote this mechanism now.

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The third activity, I think, should be method activity, mode activity, which is actually scientific and technological activity, innovation activity, and all kinds of things that can liberate productive forces should be released. But today, I see that the school is the most exclusive unit of scientific and technological innovation, and it is reasonable that individual teachers should be the most knowledgeable.

Yes, but to be honest, in the era of knowledge economy, I have observed that teachers are really not a group that loves learning. This is problematic because there is no mechanism to promote it. Why should we embrace technological progress? Because technological progress can liberate what power, but

Why do we turn a blind eye to the liberation of productive forces and are unwilling to use it? It is because I have nothing to do with liberating productive forces or not that I have no motivation. Therefore, the birth of educational vitality is inevitably the result of ideological emancipation, institutional innovation and scientific and technological progress.

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Zhu Yongxin:

As you can see, it is right to invite Lu Zhiwen. At first, he was asked to take my place. I arrived in the morning, and Mr. Xigui took his place because he couldn't come because of something. Mr. Lu's flight was originally this afternoon, but it was changed to an evening flight. When we arrive at our destination, it will be two o'clock in the evening. Why did you choose him,

Because there is no vitality, what vitality does the spokesperson of private schools talk about? He can present himself and share with us. He is very successful. He has been the principal of many private schools, and has more than ten private schools under his command, including public schools and new trusteeship.

The school, which has its own private school, is the principal of eleven private schools. He runs a successful one and a living one, and should be an expert in private education.

The vitality of our discussion today is more from the perspective of mechanism and system. I think we can look at it from three levels. The first is whether the channels for social participation in education are smooth and dynamic. Second, whether the local education administrative department or the local government is creative and has the power to implement it.

I think the reform of education, whether the school has autonomy and whether it has done anything in education are three levels. From the social point of view, I think a vibrant education should be the influx of social elites, intellectual resources, human resources and a large number of social funds.

Flow, frankly, the road is not very smooth now. For example, social capital, as I said just now, most of our private education in China is snowballing, not private capital. I saw that Wan Ren University didn't invest much money at first, unlike HKU.

Tens of billions of dollars to run a famous university in ten years, they can run it, we don't have it, and we can't get in with money. Cao spends a lot of money to run a fund but can't run education. He can't run a school in a listed company, so he can only cooperate with other middle schools. He said it was best to give.

Famous universities can compete with Tsinghua of Peking University. China has strict requirements for running a school, such as 500 mu of land, not less than one mu. Many places in Hong Kong can run universities on the first floor. Why do you need 500 mu of land? There are all kinds of possibilities for universities, and there must be 500 acres of land. How many lots of land are there in China?

The difficulty is that you can take it if you want. This is killing me.

Those who are not allowed to do undergraduate courses first must start from junior college. Three-year college graduates can only apply for undergraduate courses after argumentation. After three years of undergraduate course, graduates can enroll for master's degree after examination and approval, and master's degree projects need to be examined and approved one by one. They will become doctors after their master's degree. There is no 20 years of uncertainty. if

Do you have the conditions to run a first-class university when you come in to run a university? I think we should set standards. Who, what kind of resources and funds can run a doctor? Just approve it directly Nobel Prize winners in the world invite some people and elites from all over the world. Why?

I think it is impossible to run a better school than Peking University and Tsinghua. China has a large stock of private capital, and it does many other things, that is, it doesn't come to education, not because it doesn't want to, but because it can't get in. My idea must be to believe in one, create one, and believe in folk capital and folk wisdom.

The way to enter education, including that excellent talents don't like to come to education, is a social problem.

The second is the place, because China is vast and too big. The gap in my area is far beyond our imagination. The gap between these areas makes it impossible for education to be guided by a policy, and the state can use one thing.

Policies, such as basic personnel training requirements, have a basic quality as citizens of China and China, and this country can regulate them. But how to run education, how to run education, how to arouse the enthusiasm of the local people, the eight immortals cross the ocean, each showing their magical powers and using them.

Education bound to death by this standard will certainly not be dynamic. Adapting measures to local conditions should be the basic value and guiding ideology of our national public education policy. Some people say that when Peking Opera enters the campus, northerners can understand it, Guangzhou can listen to Cantonese opera, and Suzhou can be Kunqu opera, so we should leave room for local people.

There is also the withdrawal of schools, and we have taken many detours. Miniature schools are a good aspect. Under the background of emphasizing big industry, the scale of the school is overemphasized. A school with tens of thousands of people can't have personality. The smaller they are, the more energetic they are and the more choices they have.

We say that reunification will lead to death, and once it is released, it will be chaotic. We will either rush to the same place or cut across the board, so it is difficult to have public communication. Of course, Shanxi and Shandong have made a lot of explorations in education reform, but they still dance with shackles, although they dance wonderfully. This is to give full play to local enthusiasm and put

Local enthusiasm is deprived. No

How is the vitality of the school open? We know that the headmaster is the king of the school in the end and can make a difference on campus. However, if we want to give power and ability space, we can't control it now. Now many principals say that there is no room and they really want to reform, but

The system of light political theory courses in universities almost occupies a lot of space, and there is no way to start professional courses. It is also normal to want to open elective courses. The proportion of compulsory courses is so large that there is no choice at all. Many schools say that there is no room for R&D courses and national courses.

Courses and local courses are full, so it is difficult for schools to have really valuable curriculum space. To be dynamic, we must first give more rights, space and freedom to the society, then to the localities and finally to the schools. They will definitely want to have more ideas and wisdom in their lives, and they will give more.

Energy, more vitality.

Zhang Zhuoyu:

Thank you, three of you, for briefly talking about your main views on this topic. I think everyone here is very interested in this topic, and there will be many questions you want to ask. Please be prepared to ask questions later. As the first questioner, I just said that it is possible to untie public schools.

We can't be specific about this topic.

How to stimulate the vitality of education in China?