Is Herbart's "General Pedagogy" or Comenius's "Grand Pedagogy" a sign that pedagogy has become an independent discipline? My book and

Correctly speaking, Comenius' theory of big teaching should mark the emergence of independent pedagogy.

"An independent discipline begins to form" emphasizes that it is still in the "beginning" stage, so "grand teaching theory" should not be regarded as an independent discipline, it is just the beginning.

And "starting to become an independent discipline" emphasizes "becoming", so it refers to the impressive "general pedagogy" of Barthes.

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