Impression that universities outside China should have been stuck in doctoral graduation a long time ago, so graduation is very difficult, so the doctoral degree graduated abroad has a high gold content. But my personal experience is that the overall level of doctors who graduated from 985 universities in China is not low. There may be several reasons. First, the domestic requirements for doctoral graduation are also very high. 14 years, the school where I graduated requires that doctoral students who entered the school that year should have two or three SCI retrieval papers when they graduate. Second, with the progress of China's overall strength in recent years, the overall hardware level of colleges and universities has been greatly improved compared with previous years; Third, the soft environment of domestic universities has also been greatly improved. There are often reports from foreign Daniel, and students and teachers can also attend various academic conferences, which greatly improve their academic level in exchanges.
Due to historical precipitation, the overall level of foreign universities is still quite high. Of course, foreign countries here refer to developed countries in Europe and America. There are many people in these schools. Of course, the students who graduated from top universities have a high level. There should be a big gap between doctors graduated from top universities and foreign countries. After all, China ranks 49th and 70th in Tsinghua, the best international ranking, and there is still a long way to go, but there is great hope of catching up slowly, because our country's economic strength is advancing steadily, and the economic foundation determines a country's education level, which can affect the economic level. I thought the same thing.
what do you think? Welcome to discuss.
First of all, point out what kind of convenient ability the "ability" in the question refers to. I think it's academic ability for the time being.
Then the question becomes "Is the academic ability of foreign doctors really better than that of domestic doctors?"
My opinion is: a doctor who graduated from abroad and can stay in the mainstream academic circle; Doctors who can stay in the mainstream academic circle after graduation in China > doctors who can't stay in the academic circle after graduation abroad > doctors who can't stay in the academic circle after graduation in China.
In my opinion, whether a doctor can stay in the mainstream academic circle after graduation is the most powerful criterion to test his academic ability. My contact and my observation gave me this conclusion. thank you
Supplementary note: the comparison I give here mainly refers to the initial development stage of doctoral graduation, and the career direction of this stage is largely influenced by the academic ability of doctoral graduation, not the whole career of doctoral students. )
There is no doubt that the doctor is a stepping stone to enter the work unit. After all, it proves that you graduated from a doctor's degree and have scientific research and academic level. Many "985" colleges and universities recruit teachers for overseas doctors, which are also subject-specific, such as science and engineering. Although our doctors from Peking University and China University of Science and Technology in Tsinghua are also very popular, there is definitely a gap in some aspects compared with schools like Nanyang Technological University and Massachusetts Institute of Technology. At present, top universities in China require recruiters to have at least three years' overseas study experience. Relatively speaking, overseas doctors have certain advantages in job hunting in China. Generally speaking, overseas doctors have good employment prospects, and employment can be expected. Students who plan to study for a doctorate can consider applying for an overseas doctorate. Generally speaking, there are few self-funded doctors abroad, and they are all supported by salaries or scholarships.
At present, teaching in 985,211schools basically requires overseas scientific research experience. Therefore, in terms of doctoral employment in universities and research institutes, foreign doctors occupy a great advantage. But this means that foreign doctors are better than domestic doctors, which is not necessarily true. The minimum requirement for staying in 985 is a double 985 doctor, and the thesis project has its own requirements. The most basic thing is to have at least one year's study abroad experience. Look, overseas experience is required, not to say that you have to return to China as a doctor. As for why you want to study abroad, how can you broaden your horizons without going out for a walk? How can we know to what extent the related fields and systems in other countries in the world have developed? The ancients said, read thousands of books and take Wan Li Road. You can't read at home. But on the whole, foreign doctors are obviously superior to domestic doctors in personal vision and foreign language application ability. Moreover, in the past, the academic development in China was not standardized and the academic environment was not perfect, which led to the low academic level of doctoral students. This is why universities now give priority to overseas doctors when recruiting teachers. That's the reason. However, with the strengthening of China's economic strength and scientific research strength, this situation has obviously improved.
Are foreign and domestic doctors the same? It is definitely different, and it can also be clearly distinguished from the training methods and treatment. Studying for a doctorate in China is basically a student, and the supplementary training of the state still belongs to the category of higher education. Accordingly, doctors in China basically follow their tutors, who arrange tasks for doctors to do, even if it is the basic work of writing books for their tutors. Abroad, studying for a doctorate is more like a job. In Europe, studying for a doctorate is basically a job, with higher salary and relatively free research direction. Foreign doctors still have some advantages in their horizons. But to say the least, it is unknown whether the vision can be transformed into ability and output. There are many people who have lost themselves, are not good at academics and can't find their way. There are also many doctors in China who follow their tutors and have achieved fruitful results. In the final analysis, it depends on whether this training method is suitable for you and whether your academic research path is solid and solid. Because domestic doctors are only oriented to doing scientific research and publishing articles, some doctors put all their energy into the subject experiment, so their scientific research ability is very strong, but other abilities cannot be cultivated. One more thing, some tutors only regard doctoral students as the labor force in the laboratory. Doctoral students can only bury themselves in the experiment and cannot participate in the core design of the experiment, so they are only the implementers of the experiment, not the designers. In this mode, students only learn experimental techniques, not innovation and independent thinking.
However, there is no doubt that students who can get a doctorate love scientific research, and they also have scientific research ability that ordinary people don't have. But whether you can make outstanding scientific research results depends not only on your own ability, but also on the support of the surrounding environment and whether the school can give individuals sufficient research funds. At present, some universities in China can't meet this requirement, and the research funds are insufficient, which leads to the decline of the research enthusiasm of some researchers. In addition, in some specific areas, the development of science and technology in western countries is indeed better than that in China. As a fresh graduate, if I stay there, I may learn more knowledge. Dr. Haigui can get in touch with advanced and cutting-edge scientific research projects, attend some international exchange conferences and communicate with some excellent foreign scholars. Teachers from famous foreign universities are also excellent, which has a good guiding role in doctoral research. In such an academic research environment, Dr. Haigui's academic vision is relatively broad, which is conducive to stimulating the spirit of innovation and has a higher pattern. However, the limited number of famous teachers in China and the limited number and level of academic summits will affect the scientific research vision pattern of local doctors.
Now the quality of returnees is not as good as before. Although there are excellent returnees now, the quality is much lower than before. Most of those who studied abroad before were from national projects. Those who can study abroad are top students and enter the top universities in the world. But now many people go abroad to choose schools that are just ordinary schools, even universities that you can attend as long as you pass the language test and pay the relevant fees, and even some little-known diploma workshops. Even some students failed in the college entrance examination and could not go to college, so they spent money to stay in school. Such turtles may not be as good as graduates from ordinary colleges and universities. When recruiting, the recruiting unit will also check the relevant information of turtles, so students who graduated from these schools generally do not choose to hire. After all, the recruitment cost of returnees will still be slightly higher than that of domestic college students. No one wants to recruit a worker with average ability at a higher cost.
In people's memory, returnees are all high-tech talents, and they have always been the target of various enterprises. However, in recent years, returnees have become increasingly unpopular with enterprises. Why is this happening? Statistics show that people with overseas experience have stronger comprehensive ability than those without overseas experience. This is statistically significant, and it is also the data point that many units rely on to formulate rules. However, when such a statistically formulated rule is applied to every specific person, very unfair things often happen. Take overseas experience as an example. There are many kinds of overseas experiences, including different countries, different schools and different length of time abroad. Everyone's specific situation is very different. In fact, some companies don't like to recruit returnees for several reasons, because the quality of returnees is mixed at present. Many years ago, returnees meant high-quality talents. However, in recent years, there have also been mixed situations among returnees. Except for a few who really study in famous overseas schools, many returnees graduated from ordinary universities, and some even graduated from diploma workshops, and their ability is far less than that of domestic university graduates. Therefore, the HR of the enterprise is unwilling to take the time to identify the quality of returnees, and it also dislikes returnees more and more. Because some returnees have average personal abilities. There are many talents in the returnees, but some returnees are just in name only and have no ability at all. For example, an enterprise once recruited a returnee who had lived abroad for six years, only to find that he didn't even know the basic business terms and his ability was so low after work.
The development of doctoral employment still depends on personal ability and scientific research achievements, so even if Dr. Haigui has certain advantages, don't be too idolized. Enterprises and universities should objectively treat returned doctors and domestic doctors. In fact, the pressure you are facing, whether it is for students from famous domestic universities or those who have returned to study abroad, is relatively large, but if you make a decision to return to China for development, you should be fully prepared. You need to know the development of various industries in China, have your own goals and plans, and make clear your future development direction, so as to have good development.
Lao gan chats with you. At present, I am studying for a doctor abroad, and my doctor is at home. I do have some experience about the differences at home and abroad.
1. The ability of doctors mainly varies from person to person.
In short, there are more doctors and experts in China, and many underwater doctors abroad have been arrested. There is no way to judge the level of a doctor according to the school he attended and whether he studied abroad. There is a saying that doctors should see their tutors. Maybe a little-known school has top experts in a certain major. Then read the doctor's degree of this expert, and the gold content far exceeds the value of the school's famous brand.
2. Advantages of doctors in domestic universities.
Studying for a doctorate in China, the biggest advantage is the relationship. You have a tutor in China, and you will have a support when you start working on projects and writing papers in the future. Young teachers have a hard time, some have survived, and one associate professor has been on the job for more than three years. Some can't, and they have been lecturers for ten years and eight years. If you have contacts and resources in China, it will be safer to provide you with some initial support. Another point is that domestic doctors do not follow the project, and the training plan is jointly managed by the state and schools. A foreign doctor with a project may encounter an embarrassing situation in which the tutor runs away and no one accepts it. I have a senior who met this situation, which led to the failure to graduate from the doctor.
3. Advantages of foreign doctors
The so-called foreign monks like to recite scriptures. Universities should re-examine teachers' international exchange background. Having an overseas education will give you an advantage in finding a job. If you meet the requirements, you can also get the support of the talent introduction plan. Of course, the premise is that your school can rank 100 in the mainstream world university rankings. The other is some soft power. Foreign doctor training, paying more attention to the education of scientific research literacy, is more conducive to the long-term development of doctors. There are few requirements for articles, and doctors are encouraged to think about some basic problems. Domestic doctoral training is more eager for quick success and instant benefit, or mainly based on projects and papers.
There are too many strong ones. Take the United States as an example If you graduate with a doctorate, your job opportunities will be invincible, and the headhunting company will create them for you early. Regarding the learning ability of a doctor, no company doubts your ability to adapt to the challenge of new professional knowledge.
I dare not say that in the field I know, doctors who graduated from abroad are not stronger than those who graduated from China, but they are still quite strong! It depends on the individual, of course. I'm talking about the overall probability. To put it bluntly, there are too many Dr. China and too much water. Many of them are trying to protect their jobs. Of course, I'm talking about the field I know, and I don't know about other fields, and I dare not talk nonsense. The key reasons are as follows: firstly, domestic doctoral training lacks key courses of doctoral research; Second, there is a lack of qualified tutors, and some have graduated from junior colleges. How can we bring out qualified doctoral students? Of course, it is not denied that individual talents, many cattle people are not necessarily highly educated; Third, the relationship works, and there is a lack of real talent and practical learning. I hope I won't be scolded after answering this question.
Personally express my views on the cultivation of doctoral students. No matter domestic or international doctors, doctors in mathematics and physics are real doctors, doctors in engineering and medicine are good doctors, doctors in literature and history are doctors, and other doctors should not be doctors. Hands-on ability is the first in application industry. If students have no practical ability during their doctoral studies, such doctors are basically useless. Now there are doctor of fine arts, doctor of design mode, doctor of film and doctor of dance. Is there a doctor of cooking? The doctoral training system in many industries in China is very funny. On the system of doctor training, the Ministry of Education should reflect on itself. A doctor should be a degree, not an ability. Just like being an academician of China Academy of Engineering is an honor that we have struggled for, it is not the so-called working ability at present. Orientals, especially China people, always confuse honor and ability. I agree with westerners on this point and don't talk about the past. At present, many doctors in the scientific research team really make mistakes. If you use them, you will make many mistakes. If you don't use it, people are the so-called talents introduced by the unit at a high price. This model is often chicken ribs. The previous higher education system was still good. No matter what educational background, you should be a teaching assistant for three years before entering higher education, and then determine your teaching position according to your teaching practice ability. Today, many doctors introduced from colleges and universities are still immature psychologically. How to teach and educate people without knowledge and ability? This may be the main reason for the sharp decline in the quality of higher education in China today.
Being able to get a highly anticipated doctorate is enough to show that he is outstanding in an academic research field. Ability in academic research and achievement in practical work are two different concepts. In other words, academic ability is not equal to practical ability, just as high IQ is not equal to high EQ.
Since the end of the last century, China's colleges and universities have set off a wave of crazy enrollment expansion. College students in rotten streets have no place to live, and graduate students are also highly educated and low-educated, so it is difficult to find ideal jobs. It is an indisputable fact that doctoral degrees are flooding. Scandals of academic plagiarism and falsification emerge one after another, and there are many people with high salaries but poor quality, which seriously lowers the overall gold content of doctoral degrees in China. Even the academic ability to show off has been seriously discounted, and in the material desire for quick success and instant benefit, its practical ability is probably difficult to improve.
Foreign doctoral degrees are far from being as beautiful as we thought. People are sure that you are pioneering in finding problems and solving practical problems creatively. In their eyes, the popular doctoral diploma in China is at best a dead letter, and it is definitely not the gold medal we understand. In this sense, no matter "Dr. Tu" or "Dr. Yang", there is absolutely no need to compare abilities.
Of course, any extreme statement or argument that completely denies Dr. China's ability is a distortion of China's educational progress. After all, there were, are, and will be more doctoral students in China in the future. They have the dream of national rise, shoulder the heavy responsibility of national progress, study hard, keep a low profile, accumulate wealth, never forget their own initiative and forge ahead-they will surely become the backbone of the Chinese nation.
It is difficult and demanding to graduate from a doctor abroad. My son finished his master's degree at Carnegie Mellon University in the United States, and then he studied for a doctor's degree (a famous engineering school ranked around 30 in the world). In recent years, I have witnessed his efforts, hardships, confusion and strength. In the process of studying for a doctorate, he did experiments in the laboratory day after day according to the teacher's requirements, and failed again and again. I can't see the future, and I'm getting older. I've heard him say many times to give up studying for a doctorate. I always encouraged him to stick to it. Finally, he will graduate this year. If time comes again, neither my son nor I will choose to go to the United States to study for a doctorate.
I only say one aspect:
If the scientific research results are of the same grade, then the domestic doctoral research ability is stronger, because the domestic doctoral research conditions are relatively difficult.
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