I don't know whether to pay or not.

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Fang Ke: I think it's right to collect money without paying it.

Chen Xinxin: Professor, Institute of Law, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

Hou Yanfang: Shandong University.

Wang Yuanyuan: Company employee.

Opposing guest: I think it's wrong to think that you don't want money if you pick it up.

Xie Haiding: Editor, Law Research Office, China Academy of Social Sciences.

Xia Ting: Dean of Cai Ying Vocational and Technical College.

Lin He: Director of Shandong TV Movie Channel.

Wu Dahai: Qilu speaks, highlighting public opinion. Hello, audience and friends, welcome to the live program "Qilu Begins" of qtv. Today we have Mr. Hong from Hangzhou. Is Mr. Hong Guocai mentally prepared? In the next time, these friends across from you will question your practice?

H: No, I think I have built a bridge between the owners. I did something for everyone, which was beneficial to both people and myself.

Wu Dahai: OK, thank you, Mr. Hong Guocai. I think we're going to talk in Qilu today, and we're talking about collecting money without asking for compensation, right? First of all, I'd like to ask Mr. Hong how many lost things have been returned since your company opened?

H: Since March last year, * * * has received more than 0/000 pieces of lost property/kloc, with a return rate of over 95%.

Wu Dahai: What are they?

H: mainly some documents,

Bank cards, diplomas and the like.

Wu Dahai: I would like to ask, how much do ID cards, certificates and wallets generally cost?

H: I usually pay 20-30 yuan.

Wu Dahai: How much do you pay for the car?

H: The main compensation for the loss is 50-60 yuan.

Wu Dahai: This price difference is the profit of your company.

H: This is also the expense of our company.

Wu Dahai: I wonder what other people think of your company since it opened in Hangzhou.

H: There are also.

Wu Dahai: What did they say about you?

H: Some people will say that I lost my wallet, as if I had been scratched. If you charge us again, it's like throwing a handful of salt on our wounds and kicking me.

Wu Dahai: It seems that the other friend is applauding. what do you think?

H: I think you lost your wallet, money and important documents. I found it for you, which reduced your loss.

Wu Dahai: Then I want to ask you, what do they think when you return something to the owner and ask them for a reward?

H: It should be said that most people hold the same view and they are willing to pay these fees.

Wu Dahai: Thank you. What do you think of Mr. Xie Haiding?

Xie Haiding: I think it is wrong to collect money without knowing it. I don't know that collecting money is a virtue of the Chinese nation, so asking for it is a discount on virtue. So are you willing to discount virtue? Today, I sincerely invite friends at the scene and friends in front of the TV to join hands to defend virtue.

Wu Dahai: Defending virtue, Mr. Chen Xinxin, your opponent has put forward an initiative.

Chen Xinxin: I think the first thing to understand is that having virtue and ideals does not mean rejecting rewards. Many times we do this activity, get paid, and our ideal has come true.

Wu Dahai: Ideal and reward can achieve a win-win situation, right?

Chen Xinxin: On this issue, my opinion is that those who can't find money should pay. The reason is clear. What Mr. Hong said just now has been made very clear. First, the act of finding money without knowing it really reduces the loss for the owner, and at the same time, it also pays labor and cost. Second, giving certain rewards to people who don't know how to change money is conducive to promoting the development of public morality. Thirdly, as far as tradition is concerned, China people pay attention to the grace of dripping water, which I think is reflected here.

Wu Dahai: Just now, Mr. Chen Xinxin said that it highlights a virtue, that is, gratitude in return, which is also the traditional virtue of the Chinese nation. What are the different opinions of other friends?

Xia Ting: It's a specific problem to find something to compensate for, so we should treat it specifically. You shouldn't take the initiative to ask for compensation from the owner, because you are helping others and returning things to others. This is the responsibility that people in society should have, but it is acceptable for the other party to give you compensation on their own initiative. But this is the host's initiative to thank you, both mentally and materially. There should be a clear rule that you have to give me money when I pick up something, and I won't give it to you if I don't, which violates a moral issue.

Wu Dahai: Others can accept it. Can you accept it?

Wang Yuanyuan: I disagree. I think it's necessary to find something, because in the process of returning things to their original owners, I worked hard and took up time and energy that I didn't want to take up. These are all my normal jobs, and my job minimizes your losses. Why can't I ask for remuneration for my work? More importantly, we emphasize more work and more pay. Just now, the director of the pavilion said whether to give it or not, for fear of meeting people who are not sensible. For example, what I found in Jinan and sent back to Beijing, she didn't thank me. What did you say?/Sorry? I think so. At least I want the toll back.

Xia Ting: I want to ask you why you don't know how to pick up money, is it to get paid or to fulfill a social responsibility? Is it your occupation to pick up things and get paid? This is not your job.

Wang Yuanyuan: It's also incorrect to deny the motive of looking for money because you want to get paid. If asking for compensation is a utilitarian heart, then sometimes the value of what we find is far greater than what you gave me, then I can not return it.

Xia Ting: We advocate not losing money. If you insist on giving me the money, I will give it to you. Is that still change?

Wang Yuanyuan: We didn't say that I would only accept it if you gave me money. Our topic is whether to answer it or not.

Lin He: Yes, you advocate taking money, which is not the same as whether you accept it or not. What you want goes against your starting point, and what you want goes against your original intention.

Wang Yuanyuan: I think every citizen should improve our moral level on a small matter. If you can return his behavior to him at this time and find that this person is immoral, why not take this opportunity to educate him?

He Lin: Not this concept. In many cases, only a few people don't pay after the other party returns it. More people will take this opportunity to express their gratitude, which means that the host wants to pay you. With this awareness, more people will give you a thank you. This has given enough affirmation to the returnees. Why should it be embodied in material things?

Xia Ting: This reminds me of a question. According to everyone's traditional concept, helping others is a virtue, but you have to pay back. This is a fair value orientation of our society. Now we are talking about building a society ruled by law. In fact, fairness is the basic goal we pursue for the legal system. Can't morality and fairness coexist?

Wu Dahai: Is it against moral standards to ask for money?

Chen Xinxin: To be clear, the key to picking up money is not to be ignorant. Ignorance is to hide something and legally take it for yourself. Therefore, it is not directly related to whether to return the money after it is found, or whether to ask for remuneration after it is returned. Therefore, I personally think that when a person finds a lost item through his own efforts and returns it to Zhao intact, he should be guaranteed by the system and get the due reward.

Wu Dahai: It is a virtue to "collect money without ignorance". As for whether to ask for remuneration, it does not affect the standard of virtue.

Xia Ting: Yes, as long as you "mine gold", you shouldn't ask for remuneration, otherwise it's not "mine gold". People don't want to pay the manuscript, do you want it?

He Lin: Is it possible to completely possess other people's property without returning it to him?

Hou Yanfang: Mr. He Lin may have confused a concept. When I ask for a reward, I want to know about it. Equate the two.

Xia Ting: Collecting money is an act in the moral category, and your demand has become a business act of equivalent exchange.

Xie Haiding: Compared with what we used to understand, there is a difference between sublimity and mediocrity.

Hou Yanfang: Actually, sublimity and mediocrity are just moral changes. Different people have different understandings of morality, and different morality has different standards in different historical periods. For example, in ancient times, the monarch ordered the minister to die, and the minister had to die. This is a basic moral concept. Now, modern people think this so-called morality is absurd. I think if it is a moral issue, we should always look at it from a developmental perspective.

Xie Haiding: According to your logic, does it mean that I found something and gave it to you for nothing?

Hou Yanfang: Now we are talking about morality and nobility in the realistic social background. What kind of situation are we facing in China now? To stand on the top of the world nation, the Chinese nation must first improve its comprehensive national strength. The most basic thing is economic strength, and the value concept advocated by our society now is efficiency. People who can't find money ask for remuneration, which can improve our social efficiency.

He Lin: But I want to remind each other that not everything can be completely changed over time. Traditional virtue is called virtue because it has stood the test of history and is worth carrying forward. We can't give up traditional virtues just because we want to strengthen our national strength because we have entered the market economy. The foundation of strengthening our national strength is civilization.

Wang Yuanyuan: But I think traditional virtues should be endowed with new contents.

Lin He: At present, we keep the money. If we talk about material benefits alone, "non-return" can occupy this material benefit to the greatest extent. Now I have paid back the money, which in itself shows that I have followed the traditional concept.

Xia Ting: There are still conditions. If you don't get a certain percentage of the reward, will you still not pay it back?

Wang Yuanyuan: These are two questions. "I don't know if I'm looking for money" and whether I get paid or not are two behaviors.

He Lin: These are two "necessities". Which one is the initiative, or someone else gave it to you, which one?

Wang Yuanyuan: I worked hard in this process. Shouldn't I want more?

Lin He: We should encourage everyone to learn from this unpaid contribution and carry forward their virtues.

Wang Yuanyuan: But the cost of this gratuitous contribution may be relatively small, but what if it is relatively large? The cost is higher? Or this kind of giving even has the meaning of life, caught in it, and I even get hurt and pay you back, so is it fair for you to talk to me about free giving at this time?

Wu Dahai: At present, there is a focus of debate. Both sides believe that money should be returned free of charge, which embodies the tradition of the Chinese nation and even the virtue of selfless dedication. Is being rewarded a virtue?

Chen Xinxin: I don't think there is a necessary connection between being rewarded and being moral. In some cases, being rewarded is also a virtue.

Wu Dahai: Under what circumstances?

Chen Xinxin: Like the question we are discussing now, it is not only a virtue that others pay us, but also a virtue that we don't take it. There is a simple reason.

Xie Haiding: In this way, you cancel the meaning of virtue. In our traditional concept, you can't get paid for picking up money, but today both sides mean that you can get paid for picking up money, so this actually cancels the meaning of picking up money and actually gives up virtue.

Chen Xinxin: One question you should pay attention to is whether moral standards are set for noble people or ordinary people. They are a norm for the behavior of ordinary people, so as long as the standards that ordinary people can reach can be universal moral standards in society.

Wu Dahai: You can't ask everyone to learn from Lei Feng.

Chen Xinxin: We can encourage everyone to be Lei Feng.

Xie Haiding: But the other side's point of view is that we don't need to encourage everyone to be Lei Feng, and it is silly for Lei Feng not to get paid.

Chen Xinxin: Whether you want to get paid or not is different from stupidity. In other words, Lei Feng is stupid not to ask others for money, but I am not stupid to ask for money. This really looks down on Lei Feng.

Xia Ting: I can give you an example. A person is sick and comes to the hospital for surgery. That 10 thousand yuan was dropped, but you found it. You said, well, I can't give it to you until you give me 2000 yuan. The patient can't afford to have an operation without a penny. In this case, where is your virtue?

Chen Xinxin: What we are talking about is that under normal circumstances, we have to pay for "picking up money" instead of paying for "picking up money" in every situation.

He Lin: Since it is in a general sense, many people will return what they found to you and say thank you. Therefore, I think the reward of picking up gold itself is much more than the moral reward. He won the trust of his master and deepened the quality of honesty, which is an experience that is hard to buy in life and social life.

Wu Dahai: The spirit of finding money is priceless and cannot be measured by matter.

Chen Xinxin: Now we are discussing whether it is wrong for ordinary people to collect gold. In the matter of gold mining, the gold miner is subjective and selective, and the key is whether he chooses or not. I'd like to quote a sociologist who said that we should establish a moral standard and alert human nature. So what is human nature? The so-called human nature is the feeling of human spirit and body. In fact, there is a classic theory that human nature tends to seek advantages and avoid disadvantages, and any virtue should be rewarded, so as to realize the unity of personal interests and social interests, but it is very applicable and win-win for the person who finds the lost property, the owner and the society.

Lin He: Are you right about the important rewards, causing losses to the other side? Do you deny the loss?

Hou Yanfang: When the owner lost something, he thought more about how to get it back than whether I should pay for it.

He Lin: Since you have such a good starting point, why can't you be perfect?

Wang Yuanyuan: But I think asking for remuneration is also a good behavior. There is a good saying, "Once bitten, twice shy." If you lose something, you need to pay for your actions, so that you will remember it all your life, and you will be careful not to make the same mistake again.

He Lin: In your opinion, isn't it more impressive not to return it directly to him? Then why did you return it to him? Then your heart will hurt more.

Wang Yuanyuan: The problem is saving lives, not killing people. That's good.

Lin He: Why did you do such a dirty thing?

Wu Dahai: Let's take a look at the voting. We think that 2964 votes are right, and 1408 votes are wrong. Ladies and gentlemen, make persistent efforts.

Audience guests: I think the quality of finding money can not be reduced with the development of society, but should be improved. I taught my granddaughter from an early age that it is a good thing to pick up money, and I will give a penny to the police uncle. Virtue should not be diminished. I think this is a kind of love. With the development of society, love should develop to a higher level, give a love and think for the master.

Wu Dahai: My friend here said that I was really anxious to lose the owner, so I gave it back to you. You should pay me, and you have nothing to lose.

Audience guest 2: I don't think this award is necessary. We can't live without it. Now everyone has a living allowance. What you found was windfall. If you find it, give it back to him, and he will appreciate you more than money. He will be grateful to this society and the traditional virtues of the Chinese nation.

Audience guest 3: You found the money. What should I do if I don't return it to others and delay their application?

Wu Dahai: I'm not saying I won't return it. I just said you should thank me. If I find the money you left at KFC and return it to you, can I get a bag of French fries?

Audience guest 3: Everyone should do it for free, which is a virtue.

Wu Dahai: Thank you.

Audience guest: I think I should be paid. Returning the money to him is in line with my moral requirements, and I won't feel guilty. In the process of finding the owner, I may lose a lot mentally and materially. If everyone who has no money to change loses a lot of benefits, this virtue will not be popularized. Moreover, if a part of the interests of the finder is damaged because of lack of money and no compensation is obtained, this virtue will gradually be ignored.

Wu Dahai: For example, I found your mother's 100 and asked her for 10, okay?

Audience guest 4: Yes!

Audience guest 5: You should give some money reasonably, such as taxi fare.

Wu Dahai: Why?

Audience guest 6: Because for the owner, if you return what you have found to yourself, generally speaking, even if you pay more, it will not be worth the loss. I have paid a lot to the discoverer himself, and giving him a certain reward is his affirmation, so I will be more motivated to do these things in the future. It is good for both the owner and the picker, which can be said to be a win-win situation. Why not?

Hou Yanfang: We are actually talking about the orientation of a society. According to Maslow's five needs theory, the problem of life is no longer a problem, but the improvement of a person's status in society. Picking up money without asking for anything in return actually gives you a chance to improve yourself. Why do you have to give up?

Wang Yuanyuan: Why does this kindness, which involves virtue or morality, or helpfulness, seem to deny what we do once we add material things? I don't think these conflict at all. I want to give an example, such as Rockefeller, American University of Petroleum. On a hiking trip, he helped a rich man with an important luggage, and then he asked the rich man for a tip of 1 dollar as usual. The other party just said, don't tip. We are not short of money. I don't think we should say that. It is not that you are short of money, but that you, the beneficiary, respect those who help you. This aspect should be reflected from both spiritual and material aspects. If both aspects can be reflected, why not?

Xia Ting: You stole a concept. If the initiative is respect, it is still the respect given to you by others. Changed my mind.

Wu Dahai: I think Krishna Kumari Yuanyuan means that if I find your things, I have the right to be respected.

Xia Ting: I thank you. I can even give you some rewards. But it's completely stale if you want it!

Audience guest 7: You need love to do good deeds, and don't exchange it with economy. I want to think of others. What others have is theirs and should be returned to them. Call by taxi, as long as you can give it to him, these can be ignored. In daily life, love is more important than anything else.

Wu Dahai: Thank you.

Hou Yanfang: I want to remind you that we can now pay attention to a term "vulnerable groups", and whether the lost property we are discussing today should only be a moral issue. For most people, we should consider the existence of vulnerable groups. The seeker spent a lot of energy and time in the process of returning. Why shouldn't we pay him accordingly?

Wang Yuanyuan: Why can't we take the initiative to give when doing a good deed, but wait for the other party to give it to us?

Lin He: This is a question of moral bottom line. Your proposal is a question of moral bottom line.

Wang Yuanyuan: Is it wrong for me to demand respect?

He Lin: Respect doesn't mean it's meaningless. I don't think it is possible for every owner to say that he doesn't respect you or thank you! Can't he scold you?

Wang Yuanyuan: When I return something to you, I must say: Should you thank me? Is it because this sentence denies the labor paid for goods? That's not a good thing.

Lin He: I'll ask another person, do you want thanks or quarters!

Wang Yuanyuan: Now we use that quarter to quantify it. Thank you.

Chen Xinxin: I think many people think it is moral to say thank you, but it may be immoral to ask for money. I think, in fact, both are moral, because the moral standards of our society can not be decided by very noble people. Generally speaking, as far as I am concerned, as long as you can find money, you will reach the universal moral standards of society. Therefore, on this basis, whether you give me a thank you or I ask for a reward, it is moral.

Xia Ting: I think you asked for it on your own initiative, which is beyond the scope of change.

Wu Dahai: What does this teacher think?

Audience guest 7: Let me ask another person a question. When a person returns what he finds, he wants a 20% reward and nothing. Is there no difference between these two people?

Wu Dahai: Is there a difference?

Chen Xinxin: I think it is moral not to ask for compensation when I find something, and it is also moral to ask for compensation.

Xie Haiding: Is there no difference between these two behaviors?

Chen Xinxin: Whether there is a difference has nothing to do with whether you should ask for a reward.

Xie Haiding: If we were here now, we should definitely get paid. Everyone should be paid for finding something, which actually cancels this difference, ideal and sublimity. Put everyone on the same level.

Chen Xinxin: It just doesn't clarify two standards. I think it is moral to ask for compensation. Do not rule out higher standards. You don't have to ask for compensation, and you can even donate.

Wu Dahai: What Mr. Chen Xinxin means is that it has reached a certain moral standard. If it is returned for free, there will be a lofty morality, but we don't require everyone to meet this standard.

Xie Haiding: But as a society, we should also advocate high standards. The morality mentioned by Mr. Chen Xinxin is a kind of sub-morality.

Wang Yuanyuan: There are differences between these two behaviors, but this difference does not lie in denying a person's virtue of finding money. First of all, the same thing, both are rewarding, and the difference lies in the economic consciousness of the people who carry out these two behaviors.

Xie Haiding: The ideal itself is lofty, and any morality makes us develop in the direction of truth, goodness and beauty. When I found something, I asked myself, if I asked myself a low standard, I felt I was satisfied. If I set a high standard for myself, I don't think I have done enough. If society cancels high standards, morality will decline with the development of society.

Wu Dahai: The guests in the back.

Audience guest 8: I think I found something, and I paid for it. I returned your things to you, which affected my work. Why can't I get some compensation?

Wu Dahai: Your colleague is sitting opposite?

Audience guest 9: Just now, this lady talked about economic issues. I am an employee of the long-distance bus terminal, and I work in the service industry. We saw a lot of things, but they were handed in selflessly, and we also spent a lot of labor in the process of looking for them. Although we didn't ask for compensation, everyone respected us very much, and in a sense, it also enhanced the image of our company, and business naturally improved. Therefore, our society should respect the noble things, not just look at the present.

Wu Dahai: Thank you, my friend.

Audience guest 10: we should be able to get paid, but we are divided into material and spiritual aspects. Not limited to material aspects.

Audience guest 1 1: Just now, the other party kept saying that it should be moral and selfless. If I want to get paid, isn't that immoral? Not noble? Then why do we need wages? Didn't we talk about selfless dedication?

Xia Ting: Picking up the plane is a moral issue, and working overtime is an economic issue. They are not the same thing.

Xie Haiding: Why don't we pursue a noble morality? Between morality and higher morality, when we all affirm morality, it forms a guiding role for society, that is, let us all be satisfied with morality without pursuing higher morality. When you don't pursue higher morality, do you think it is moral to take it for yourself?

Xia Ting: When I pay back the money, if I don't mention the owner, I will simply mention it myself. Actually, there is no such master. He doesn't care about your loss or your feelings. Why do you bring it up when the other party has already considered your cost?

Chen Xinxin: This assumption already has a premise.

Xie Haiding: You assume this premise, and you assume that the other party will not give you money.

Wu Dahai: Today we invited a guest: Mr. Zheng is a taxi driver. He once found money. Please tell us something.

Mr. Zheng: After I find something, I first think from the owner's direction. With the help of the media, I found him early and returned him to the owner. At that time, the host quickly found me and thanked me. I didn't think about anything, I didn't want anything, and I got something. I just want to return it to him as soon as possible.

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