Prerre bourdaud, who protested against politics, has become the leader of the radical movement that swept through France in the past few years. He talked with Kevin Ovenden about anti-capitalism and resistance. The Weight of the World was recently published in Britain. It describes the "social suffering of contemporary society" through interviews in the early11990s. Why are most people's lives getting harder and harder? There are similarities between French and English lives. Of course, the main problems are neoliberalism and what I call national withdrawal. The state has given up many areas it once set foot in, such as health care, education and social security. When we conducted this research, it was just beginning. Now the situation is worse. For example, in France, neo-liberal philosophy has penetrated into all social practices and policies of the country. It has been deeply rooted in the minds of political institutions. Claude All, the education minister who was recently forced to step down, is very similar to the situation in Britain. He introduced the so-called "tough policy" in education-the pursuit of efficiency and productivity. Neo-liberals did not carefully study how education works, but chose a very simple solution. They create competition between schools and school leaders. They must compete for budgets and students. The game is fake-it's artificial. It does not arise spontaneously from the way the education system operates. The education system is not perfect. I am very dissatisfied with this. However, instead of correcting it and providing ways to improve it, they destroyed it by introducing this capitalist concept of education. People can say that the same is true of health care. I recently read the minutes of a meeting between a group of traditionally very conservative medical professors. They went to meet Premier Jospin. He didn't receive it. A technology mouse met them. The written record of the discussion is terrible. People say,' Look, I have never demonstrated or participated in any strikes or protest movements. But this is the first time I have been forced to speak for my patient. One example is a 73-year-old woman with cancer, but her medicine is too expensive for the hospital budget. Another person said that his hospital had no money to pay an anesthesiologist, so there was no anesthesiologist at night. He asked the technical expert, "Will you send your wife to such a hospital?" He replied that this is a personal question and I won't answer it. We are seeing a blind and chaotic response to the problems of public institutions. For many years, we have had a very hierarchical system in the field of health care. But after 1968, younger people tried to change it. They try to make the system more collective and introduce the concept of teamwork. Now this situation is being destroyed because they are working under the threat of cutting expenses and increasing productivity. Most parts of Europe are governed by center-left parties. They dominate these neoliberal policies. Do you think there are any new changes in the ruling style of the Social Democratic Party?